[Debate] What is intelligence.

[Emerica]

What is it? Is this an intelligent debate?

[Sethy]

Intelligence, from what I think anyway, is the quickness of response to a matter. Being able to answer a difficult question, brainteaser, etc. doesn't make you an intelligent person. However, quickly answering the problem could have you deemed intelligent.

[Aff]

Intelligence, from what I think anyway, is the quickness of response to a matter. Being able to answer a difficult question, brainteaser, etc. doesn't make you an intelligent person. However, quickly answering the problem could have you deemed intelligent.

I agree if you mean that taking previously gained knowledge and adapting it into new situations quickly is intelligence. It's kind of vague.

[Hutch]

There's many different kinds of "intelligence".

[Aff]

There's many different kinds of "intelligence".

Explain? I say intelligence is one simple definition: being able to adapt to new situations solely with previously gained knowledge. This is vague enough to say that intelligence can be used when being social (making new friends), or even in school (learning a new formula or some shit).

[Hutch]

Explain? I say intelligence is one simple definition: being able to adapt to new situations solely with previously gained knowledge. This is vague enough to say that intelligence can be used when being social (making new friends), or even in school (learning a new formula or some shit).

Intelligence is just having more knowledge than the average joe at a subject. One may intelligent in one field, but not intelligent in all fields.

..Too tired to do any more. :) I'll finish this post later, looking foward to this Aff.

[Aff]

Intelligence is just having more knowledge than the average joe at a subject. One may intelligent in one field, but not intelligent in all fields.

..Too tired to do any more. :) I'll finish this post later, looking foward to this Aff.

I can't say I agree. I'd say that's more of being skillful (in specific fields, but no one can be skillful in every field).

I'm looking forward to (hopefully) continuing this with you tomorrow.

[Zykev2]

I think I'll participate in this debate also, at first glance I thought I immediately knew the answer... but this topic definitely makes you think.

[Aff]

I think I'll participate in this debate also, at first glance I thought I immediately knew the answer... but this topic definitely makes you think.

Agreed. Intelligence isn't necessarily something that can instantly be understood. It's such a vague topic that it requires many people to input their opinions to create a (somewhat) perfected, true definition.

So, how about you? Any input for this?

[Sethy]

Intelligence is just having more knowledge than the average joe at a subject. One may intelligent in one field, but not intelligent in all fields.

..Too tired to do any more. :) I'll finish this post later, looking foward to this Aff.

Knowledge != Intelligence

If one guy knows more how to properly work more formulas than another guy in say, calculus, that wouldn't make him a more intelligent person, would it? That would simply determine the two's knowledge or experience in the field. Though say the second guy, who is relatively knew to calculus, however the first is not, can look at a problem completely foreign to him, use his previous knowledge of other algebraic works to solve the problem. That man would be the more intelligent.

[Aff]

Knowledge != Intelligence

If one guy knows more how to properly work more formulas than another guy in say, calculus, that wouldn't make him a more intelligent person, would it? That would simply determine the two's knowledge or experience in the field. Though say the second guy, who is relatively knew to calculus, however the first is not, can look at a problem completely foreign to him, use his previous knowledge of other algebraic works to solve the problem. That man would be the more intelligent.

Although I agree with your point, I think that wasn't the best example to be given. Something more simplistic would have sufficed - i.e. someone who understood how to multiply because he took his previous knowledge of addition would be more intelligent than someone who had to gain the knowledge from someone else. I think it has something to do with being able to self-teach.

[Hutch]

I can't say I agree. I'd say that's more of being skillful (in specific fields, but no one can be skillful in every field).

I'm looking forward to (hopefully) continuing this with you tomorrow.

Yes, my arguements are half-assed.
Intelligence is just being able to aquire more knowledge in one particular subject.

[Sethy]

Although I agree with your point, I think that wasn't the best example to be given. Something more simplistic would have sufficed - i.e. someone who understood how to multiply because he took his previous knowledge of addition would be more intelligent than someone who had to gain the knowledge from someone else. I think it has something to do with being able to self-teach.

Hmm, I do agree. I may need to pivot a little movie for a 'brain exercise' on this subject. Anyway, back to the matter at hand, I don't want to be throwing around my arguments/points before having someone to disagree with me here. Unless this is simply more of a discussion of determining was intelligence truly is, rather than a debate.



Yes, my arguements are half-assed.
Intelligence is just being able to aquire more knowledge in one particular subject.

As I've stated, intelligence shouldn't be a matter of knowledge gained, but the application of previous knowledge to that field, or how you can adapt to it.

[Aff]

I would consider this more of a discussion than a debate - we should all be inputting our opinions on what intelligence is and sum it together to conclude a final definition. Then later we can all argue about why we should change it.

[Hutch]

Hmm, I do agree. I may need to pivot a little movie for a 'brain exercise' on this subject. Anyway, back to the matter at hand, I don't want to be throwing around my arguments/points before having someone to disagree with me here. Unless this is simply more of a discussion of determining was intelligence truly is, rather than a debate.




As I've stated, intelligence shouldn't be a matter of knowledge gained, but the application of previous knowledge to that field, or how you can adapt to it.

So what you're saying, doesn't matter how much knowledge you have on one subject, it won't make you intelligent in that particular subject?

[Ziek`]

I've cleaned the thread of moronic posts. Keep this intelligent. No bullshit.

[Aff]

So what you're saying, doesn't matter how much knowledge you have on one subject, it won't make you intelligent in that particular subject?

Exactly. Intelligence is the use of the previous knowledge to obtain new knowledge.


I've cleaned the thread of moronic posts. Keep this intelligent. No bullshit.

Thank you.

[Sethy]

So what you're saying, doesn't matter how much knowledge you have on one subject, it won't make you intelligent in that particular subject?

Well it depends how you've gained the knowledge. You can know everything there is to know about biology or something of the sort. That doesn't make you an intelligent person.

[Hutch]

Well it depends how you've gained the knowledge. You can know everything there is to know about biology or something of the sort. That doesn't make you an intelligent person.

You're able to be an intelligent person in that particluar subject though. There's a difference in being a intelligent person and being intelligent in one subject.

[Aff]

You're able to be an intelligent person in that particluar subject though. There's a difference in being a intelligent person and being intelligent in one subject.

Well, I don't really consider "being intelligent in one subject" to be a true statement. I think you're either intelligent or you're not. There's no sub-topics that you can be intelligent in.

edit: I'm going to bed now. I'll try to fit one quick reply in before I leave for school, then I won't be back for quite a while. Keep this thread alive <3

[Sethy]

You're able to be an intelligent person in that particluar subject though. There's a difference in being a intelligent person and being intelligent in one subject.

I really just don't believe that you can. If your intelligent, you'll be able to adapt to much more than one subject. You can't be intelligent in only one field. Though if you do use your past knowledge and use it to quickly adapt to the topic, then yes you would be rather intelligent. However being able to apply that intelligence to few subjects wouldn't make you extremely smart, at all, it just determines what level of intelligence you are on. So concluding, there's no difference.

[Twisted]

Intelligence to me is a label.
A label that human's give other human's who have a better understanding of things in world, better comprehension of things, better knowledge of everything.
Its funny, if Alien's are real and have a higher brain power, function and just better understanding of everything in comparison to us, would we still call people on earth intelligent?
Answer me that!

[Aff]

Intelligence to me is a label.
A label that human's give other human's who have a better understanding of things in world, better comprehension of things, better knowledge of everything.
Its funny, if Alien's are real and have a higher brain power, function and just better understanding of everything in comparison to us, would we still call people on earth intelligent?
Answer me that!

But how do we judge who gets to be labeled? Who can be declared 'more intelligent' than the other?

[David]

I think being intelligent has to do with your ability to learn.

[Slik]

Intelligence for me is the efficiency of comprehending and applying knowledge. Intelligent is the ability to comprehend information, intelligence is the application of understood knowledge.

[Hermanz]

I think being intelligent has to do with your ability to learn.

This is my opinion also, I've been looking though other posts and it appears that people believe Intelligence is either measured by how fast or detailed someone ca answer a question put forward to them.. And/Or that it can be judged by how good they are in a certain field.. They may be good at Maths but no so much in English as an example..

I personally believe is it revolved around learning..

Scientists are trying to create robots to learn, think for themselves, learn how to be able to survive in today's world and beyond.. This is classed (or labeled) as Artificial Intelligence.. The ability for a program to create and re-write itself in order to adapt and Learn either from its own mistakes or others.. That.. That is what I believe is Intelligence.

[Brendan]

To back up Furyz' point about knowledge and intelligence being antonymous:
I have been told by a few people that they perceive me as an intelligent person, although I am not very knowledgeable at all. I have a decent amount of knowledge in my brain, sure, but certainly all that knowledge is insignificant compared to others who are perceived as intelligent (Einstein, as a generic example). I suppose for my point to be valid you'd have to know me and view me as an intelligent person, but there you go. It's an interesting debate.

The word vague has been thrown around a lot. Words are vague. Their definitions are not limited to what is written in dictionaries. Words can mean so much to some people and nothing to others. Intelligence is what you perceive it to be. The best way to find out what intelligence is is this: research scientific experiments testing intelligence in humans. If it's measurable, it can be universally defined. If it's immeasurable, it can not be universally defined. Things like the soul cannot be measured and are therefore uncertain in their existence, although each individual has their own beliefs and views about them.

I personally believe that intelligence is the conscious rejection of ignorance.

[Twisted]

But how do we judge who gets to be labeled? Who can be declared 'more intelligent' than the other?

Perspective / Assumption.
You are intelligent, that is me giving you the label of being intelligent.
Meaning my perspective of you is your understanding of things, and general knowledge is good from my perspective.
I have a funny way about things.

[venomask]

The C.I.A- Central Intelligence Agency. The C.I.A gathers information, or, Intelligence.

If one is Intelligent, they are smart.
If one gains Intelligence, they gain knowledge.

I would disagree that you have to gain knowledge on your own in order to be intelligent, you can learn it.

for example:
A person who studies for a test and gets a 95% is more intelligent than a person who doesn't study and gets a 90% on the test. The studier gained more knowledge by studying, and the outcome is he scored better on the test.
Now, say the original studier didn't study and got a 85% and the other person did study and scored 100%, then the person scoring 100% is more intelligent than the other.
In one last example, say both people scored 90% and only one of them studied. I think the person who studied is still more intelligent than the other, because they made the intelligent choice to study, therefor making their score as high as possible, while the other person didn't act on making their score as high as possible, which was a non-intelligent move.

Like said, intelligence is a very vague subject.

[venomask]

I really just don't believe that you can. If your intelligent, you'll be able to adapt to much more than one subject. You can't be intelligent in only one field. Though if you do use your past knowledge and use it to quickly adapt to the topic, then yes you would be rather intelligent. However being able to apply that intelligence to few subjects wouldn't make you extremely smart, at all, it just determines what level of intelligence you are on. So concluding, there's no difference.
If you're* intelligent (:

[Shane]

Intelligence, to me, is a specific one's ability to think and their knowledge of the matter at hand.

[Aff]

To back up Furyz' point about knowledge and intelligence being antonymous:
I have been told by a few people that they perceive me as an intelligent person, although I am not very knowledgeable at all. I have a decent amount of knowledge in my brain, sure, but certainly all that knowledge is insignificant compared to others who are perceived as intelligent (Einstein, as a generic example). I suppose for my point to be valid you'd have to know me and view me as an intelligent person, but there you go. It's an interesting debate.

The word vague has been thrown around a lot. Words are vague. Their definitions are not limited to what is written in dictionaries. Words can mean so much to some people and nothing to others. Intelligence is what you perceive it to be. The best way to find out what intelligence is is this: research scientific experiments testing intelligence in humans. If it's measurable, it can be universally defined. If it's immeasurable, it can not be universally defined. Things like the soul cannot be measured and are therefore uncertain in their existence, although each individual has their own beliefs and views about them.

I personally believe that intelligence is the conscious rejection of ignorance.

You just practically stated that intelligence is questionable - it may or may not exist because it is something that we have yet to measure. If intelligence is anything like what we claim it is (something that cannot be measured, and can vary depending on the situation), then it may not exist ... Just pointing that out (or I read it wrong - please correct me).


Perspective / Assumption.
You are intelligent, that is me giving you the label of being intelligent.
Meaning my perspective of you is your understanding of things, and general knowledge is good from my perspective.
I have a funny way about things.

Intelligence is more than just a label - what gives one the right to label someone else intelligent? What guidelines are there?


The C.I.A- Central Intelligence Agency. The C.I.A gathers information, or, Intelligence.

If one is Intelligent, they are smart.
If one gains Intelligence, they gain knowledge.

I would disagree that you have to gain knowledge on your own in order to be intelligent, you can learn it.

for example:
A person who studies for a test and gets a 95% is more intelligent than a person who doesn't study and gets a 90% on the test. The studier gained more knowledge by studying, and the outcome is he scored better on the test.
Now, say the original studier didn't study and got a 85% and the other person did study and scored 100%, then the person scoring 100% is more intelligent than the other.
In one last example, say both people scored 90% and only one of them studied. I think the person who studied is still more intelligent than the other, because they made the intelligent choice to study, therefor making their score as high as possible, while the other person didn't act on making their score as high as possible, which was a non-intelligent move.

Like said, intelligence is a very vague subject.

You're basically saying initiative to study is intelligence.


Intelligence, to me, is a specific one's ability to think and their knowledge of the matter at hand.

Everyone has the ability to think - elaborate more on that please.

[Twisted]

Intelligence is more than just a label - what gives one the right to label someone else intelligent? What guidelines are there?


We label human's intelligent right now mate, with or without guidelines.
We label Einstein as intelligent because peoples perspective of him are that he has vast knowledge.

There are no rules or guidelines, someone could label Cboy as intelligent if they want, its their perspective on Cboy and his knowledge.

[Aff]

We label human's intelligent right now mate, with or without guidelines.
We label Einstein as intelligent because peoples perspective of him are that he has vast knowledge.

There are no rules or guidelines, someone could label Cboy as intelligent if they want, its their perspective on Cboy and his knowledge.

But what influences ones perspectives? Are there any specific ideas that the majority of people share when they declare someone intelligent? It can't simply be a "pick whoever you want" kind of thing.



Intelligence for me is the efficiency of comprehending and applying knowledge. Intelligent is the ability to comprehend information, intelligence is the application of understood knowledge.

(4:21:14 PM) giz: Wow
(4:21:21 PM) giz: Quote everyone but me. Nice..
(4:21:33 PM) giz: That hurts..

fag

[Twisted]

But what influences ones perspectives? Are there any specific ideas that the majority of people share when they declare someone intelligent? It can't simply be a "pick whoever you want" kind of thing.
Its is how ever, its pick who ever you want. It is someones perspective on another persons knowledge. I can say Cboy is intelligent, but most of the people would disagree with me. But obviously the smarter people wouldn't just pick or chose, go threw their own idea of intelligence, if someone meets that quota, there perspective on that person is that they are intelligent.

[Aff]

Its is how ever, its pick who ever you want. It is someones perspective on another persons knowledge. I can say Cboy is intelligent, but most of the people would disagree with me. But obviously the smarter people wouldn't just pick or chose, go threw their own idea of intelligence, if someone meets that quota, there perspective on that person is that they are intelligent.

So what influences your personal perspective then?

[Twisted]

So what influences your personal perspective then?

Knowing the person, getting their input on issues or just..things.
If someone walks up to me and can explain the entire theory of evolution and the big bang in 5 minutes, I'm instantly going to have a perspective on him as intelligent.
If someone walks up to me and asks me where do they find client.java, deemed unintelligent immediately.

[Aff]

Knowing the person, getting their input on issues or just..things.
If someone walks up to me and can explain the entire theory of evolution and the big bang in 5 minutes, I'm instantly going to have a perspective on him as intelligent.
If someone walks up to me and asks me where do they find client.java, deemed unintelligent immediately.

So whichever doesn't ask stupid questions is intelligent.. i c

[Twisted]

So whichever doesn't ask stupid questions is intelligent.. i c

That is MY perspective sir, everyone else perspective on intelligent could be different.

[Brendan]

You just practically stated that intelligence is questionable - it may or may not exist because it is something that we have yet to measure. If intelligence is anything like what we claim it is (something that cannot be measured, and can vary depending on the situation), then it may not exist ... Just pointing that out (or I read it wrong - please correct me).

No I didn't brah. Reread, I cba phrasing my thoughts in an alternative, albeit redundant, way.

[Slik]

I personally believe that intelligence is the conscious rejection of ignorance.

I disagree.

People who are considered ignorant to various things, can still be considered highly intelligent. Someone may have intelligence specifically revolving around one subject and may be ignorant to many things, does that mean he is ok with ignorance with somethings and doesn't accept ignorance with others? Does it mean that person is not intelligent at all? No, because that would apply to everything and not just one aspect of his knowledge.

Intelligent life itself can be highly ignorant, and be happy. I believe the saying goes, "Ignorance is bliss". I believe what you believe is more along the lines of how an intelligent person would learn, by refusing to be ignorant.

[winK]

Intelligence is measured in two distinct types: mental aptitude and knowledge. Knowledge is what you can obtain, information and data. Like historical dates, names, etc. But mental aptitude is your ability to recognize and comprehend the information.

Some people can only comprehend the simplest of ideas, others, like Einstein, are able to develop and think of complex concepts and thoughts that we would never have been able to think of.

[Journal]

a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests)
b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind
c : mental acuteness : shrewdness
2
a : an intelligent entity; especially : angel
b : intelligent minds or mind <cosmic intelligence>
3
: the act of understanding : comprehension
4
a : information, news
b : information concerning an enemy or possible enemy or an area; also : an agency engaged in obtaining such information
5
: the ability to perform computer functions



I'm not one to think of something different than what it is.