View Full Version : Did bush /really/ get us here?
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 19:55
Ok, well this is a simple debate.
Did bush get us where we are, regarding the war, or was it the terrorists?
In my opinion, we where hit first. Many many many died, so bush decided to fight back.
PLEASE DO NOT FLAME.
If flaming starts I will have a mod prune all the posts and we will start over.
SiniSoul
May 2nd, 2011, 19:57
Ok, well this is a simple debate.
Did bush get us where we are, regarding the war, or was it the terrorists?
In my opinion, we where hit first. Many many many died, so bush decided to fight back.
PLEASE DO NOT FLAME.
If flaming starts I will have a mod prune all the posts and we will start over.
IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT, HIM AND HIS BUTT BUDDY. He was trying to redeem his fathers fuck up, and failed may I add.
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 19:59
No this was all the terrorists fault.
That'd imply they weren't paid to do it.
It was an inside job, the evidence stacks up to the ceiling.
Vesta Main
May 2nd, 2011, 19:59
The terrorist started it in the first place. with 9/11. thats what i know
EvolvedBlitz
May 2nd, 2011, 20:00
No this was all the terrorists fault.
Thats where your wrong again fuck tard basically Bush declared war on arabic country's for there oil dumb ass
SiniSoul
May 2nd, 2011, 20:01
Thats where your wrong again fuck tard basically Bush declared war on arabic country's for there oil dumb ass
THANK YOU. How bout them weapons of mass destruction' eh'?
J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:02
IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT, HIM AND HIS BUTT BUDDY. He was trying to redeem his fathers fuck up, and failed may I add.
I disagree sweet sini, how was it his fault that the terrorists attacked us? He did what anyone else would have done in a situation like that (besides a liberal pussy.) and that is fight back. If someone just ran up to you have kicked you in the crotch, would you just let him walk off? I don't think so :p
EvolvedBlitz
May 2nd, 2011, 20:03
I disagree sweet sini, how was it his fault that the terrorists attacked us? He did what anyone else would have done in a situation like that (besides a liberal pussy.) and that is fight back. If someone just ran up to you have kicked you in the crotch, would you just let him walk off? I don't think so :p
Well J I M B O he declared war on middle eastern country's for oil basically all the terriost want is revenge
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:04
No. It was from the terrorists. You've been brainwashed by stupid liberal Muslims to think that!
I know plenty of Muslims and they're all terrorists.
OR... You've been brainwashed by your country's media to think every single muslim is a terrorist, you racist bigot.
The whole was was based on Oil, it all it ever was and will be.
About 9/11..Watch this, and then the 9 others, and you'll finally realise.
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J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:06
Well J I M B O he declared war on middle eastern country's for oil basically all the terriost want is revenge
Who cares? Shit happens when you mess with one of the worlds super heroes.
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:08
Who cares? Shit happens when you mess with one of the worlds super heroes.
SUPER HEROES?
your country is a joke, the media propaganda has enticed your whole nation.
Also, has anyone realised that this whole Osama Bin Laden thing happens conveniantly before elections and when Obama was losing support?
J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:12
SUPER HEROES?
your country is a joke, the media propaganda has enticed your whole nation.
Also, has anyone realised that this whole Osama Bin Laden thing happens conveniantly before elections and when Obama was losing support?
I can guarantee 100% that America would smash your country no matter what country it is, you clearly underestimate America and you are a fool.
Obama is a horrible president anyways, and the elections aren't for another year you idiot, Obama will not win another election no matter what.
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:16
I can guarantee 100% that America would smash your country no matter what country it is, you clearly underestimate America and you are a fool.
Obama is a horrible president anyways, and the elections aren't for another year you idiot, Obama will not win another election no matter what.
'Smash'...
what is that talk? Im glad you'll never be in any kind of authoritarian power, you're stupid as the day is long..
you love your flag too much and are obviously too ignorant to see any other kind of view, I recommend you should listen to 'Eminem - Mosh'
Obama is the worst president we EVER had
he's like Jimmy Carter V2 Black Edition
Racism, pretty sure thats your best trick!
J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:18
'Smash'...
what is that talk? Im glad you'll never be in any kind of authoritarian power, you're stupid as the day is long..
you love your flag too much and are obviously too ignorant to see any other kind of view, I recommend you should listen to 'Eminem - Mosh'
Racism, pretty sure thats your best trick!
Do you not understand English? Look the word smash in the dictionary you dumbass, it's not that I'm too ignorant to see any other kind of view, it's just people that are so invalid it hurts my eyes to read piss me off.
Also, how is he being racist to black people? He is the worst president ever, AND he is black you idiot? It's a fact not a racist slur.
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 20:21
Keep it civil people.
I will not post much in this because my views are obvious...
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:22
Do you not understand English? Look the word smash in the dictionary you dumbass, it's not that I'm too ignorant to see any other kind of view, it's just people that are so invalid it hurts my eyes to read piss me off.
Also, how is he being racist to black people? He is the worst president ever, AND he is black you idiot? It's a fact not a racist slur.
A country cant 'smash' another, you're obviously about 12 and have no clue, considering MY country backed up yours just because you pushed on our treaty.
And Its racist because you single out that quality and make it define him of who he is, you see him as a black, and not a politician.
Emily
May 2nd, 2011, 20:22
80% of the posts on this thread are some of the most uneducated responses that I have ever seen :L Some of you need to check your facts.
May I remind to stay away from insults based on someones background or religion. That is wrong, and is not needed in the 'intelligent' debate section.
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 20:23
A country cant 'smash' another, you're obviously about 12 and have no clue, considering MY country backed up yours just because you pushed on our treaty.
And Its racist because you single out that quality and make it define him of who he is, you see him as a black, and not a politician.
I see him as a puppet...
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:25
I see him as a puppet...
well thats essentially what he is, he has to follow what his administration team wants.
J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:25
A country cant 'smash' another, you're obviously about 12 and have no clue, considering MY country backed up yours just because you pushed on our treaty.
And Its racist because you single out that quality and make it define him of who he is, you see him as a black, and not a politician.
v. smashed, smashˇing, smashˇes
v.tr.
1. To break (something) into pieces suddenly, noisily, and violently; shatter. See Synonyms at break.
2.
a. To throw or dash (something) violently so as to shatter or crush. See Synonyms at crush.
b. To strike with a heavy blow; batter.
3. Sports To hit (a ball or shuttlecock) in a forceful overhand stroke.
4. To crush or destroy completely: smashed all resistance.
v.intr.
1. To strike or collide suddenly, noisily, and violently: The car smashed into a tree.
2. To break suddenly into pieces, as from a violent blow or collision.
3. Sports To hit a ball or shuttlecock in a forceful overhand stroke.
4. To be crushed or destroyed.
I'm pretty sure a country can be smashed?
He is barely a politician and he isn't even an American citizen, and not worthy of being president, you don't even live in America so you I can assure you that you have clue what you are talking about.
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 20:26
Fruit.
The fact you are not american makes your arguments invalid.
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:30
I'm pretty sure a country can be smashed?
He is barely a politician and he isn't even an American citizen, and not worthy of being president, you don't even live in America so you I can assure you that you have clue what you are talking about.
He is an american citizen, unless you country is that fucked up it didnt even realise that, either.
Fruit.
The fact you are not american makes your arguments invalid.
Heh, that argument is invalid, I've studied american politics.
EvolvedBlitz
May 2nd, 2011, 20:30
Who cares? Shit happens when you mess with one of the worlds super heroes.
Declaring war for your own needs is not being a super hero it's being an oppertunist
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 20:30
Declaring war for your own needs is not being a super hero it's being an oppertunist
Declaring war to protect your people makes you a hero.
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:32
Declaring war to protect your people makes you a hero.
Again, 9/11 is an inside job and that its only for oil.
J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:32
He is an american citizen, unless you country is that fucked up it didnt even realise that, either.
There is no proof showing he is an American citizen, he still has yet to show his birth certificate.
Anyways, I'm done with this thread, you guys are obviously retarded.
EvolvedBlitz
May 2nd, 2011, 20:32
Declaring war to protect your people makes you a hero.
No... bush declared war to get oil for middle eastern countrys... thats not protecting anyone thats giving a threat to your country and others as well
J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:32
Again, 9/11 is an inside job and that its only for oil.
That is the most ignorant post yet.
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 20:33
There is no proof showing he is an American citizen, he still has yet to show his birth certificate.
Anyways, I'm done with this thread, you guys are obviously retarded.
he did show it, i however, doubt it was real.
Sun Shine
May 2nd, 2011, 20:33
He is barely a politician and he isn't even an American citizen, and not worthy of being president, you don't even live in America so you I can assure you that you have clue what you are talking about.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Barack Obama is a United States citizen.
Only the registered members can see the link.
Fruit
May 2nd, 2011, 20:33
That is the most ignorant post yet.
Only the registered members can see the link.
okay, prove that wrong.
J i m b o
May 2nd, 2011, 20:38
Only the registered members can see the link.
okay, prove that wrong.
The title is called "9 11 Mysteries" Not "9 11 facts" you idiot.
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 20:39
From now on ALL arguments must be cited.
Dodge'
May 2nd, 2011, 20:41
What we did to them after the Soviet Union left Afghanistan was horrible. It was our fault, and they wanted revenge.
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 20:43
What we did to them after the Soviet Union left Afghanistan was horrible. It was our fault, and they wanted revenge.
I can make the argument saying it was their fault for wanting revenge.
Dodge'
May 2nd, 2011, 20:46
I can make the argument saying it was their fault for wanting revenge.
Ok, So we helped them when the Soviet Union invaded them, sending them ammo, food, first aid, ect.. But once the Soviet Union left, we left too? We left their country in RUINS, and THEY were invaded. I am happy that Osama is dead, he was a bad man. But you need to look at what happened not 10 years ago, but in 1979.
It doesnt add up, were were the strongest country in the world then (battling with the Soviet Union) and we just left a country, which was building itself up.
no the greedy bankers did
Sun Shine
May 2nd, 2011, 21:03
The title is called "9 11 Mysteries" Not "9 11 facts" you idiot.
Actually, it does shows facts about steel also Eye & Ear witness
Divine
May 2nd, 2011, 22:51
How the fuck is it even possible to have so much stupidity and ignorance in a single thread?
tedhead2
May 2nd, 2011, 23:06
How the fuck is it even possible to have so much stupidity and ignorance in a single thread?
I honestly have no idea T_T
Zykev2
May 3rd, 2011, 00:01
This whole topic is a bunch of ill informed children arguing about what little they learned from there 1 semester of history in 7th grade. Nobody has referenced the fact that for one to declare war on a nation it must first pass through congress, before you point the fingers at bush and regret electing him as your president look at your whole government, not just the puppet president. September 11th (Granted if the government knew nothing about it), could have been totally avoided if we just stay to how our founding fathers wanted and stay out of foreign affairs that don't concern us. I'll elaborate more if need be.
Sethy
May 3rd, 2011, 01:36
This whole topic is a bunch of ill informed children arguing about what little they learned from there 1 semester of history in 7th grade. Nobody has referenced the fact that for one to declare war on a nation it must first pass through congress, before you point the fingers at bush and regret electing him as your president look at your whole government, not just the puppet president. September 11th (Granted if the government knew nothing about it), could have been totally avoided if we just stay to how our founding fathers wanted and stay out of foreign affairs that don't concern us. I'll elaborate more if need be.
Of course it could have, but that isn't the focus of this debate. Or well, argument by the looks of it. The purpose is if Bush got us here.
He did. He was a moron, really, and you can tell that just by listening to him. The government didn't pay anyone to do the attack on the twin towers, they just knew it was happening and allowed it, as they knew it'd be a great excuse to start a war.
Zykev, sure congress has to approve. They did approve(not necessarily, as it was never formally a declared war, but it's along the lines and I don't feel like explaining it), because of 9/11, which was an inside job making it irrelevant.
Justin H
May 3rd, 2011, 02:18
May be way off topic, but did Bush have a teleprompter? It seems Obama looks so professional and gives well speeches, but people need to realize he is reading from a screen...
Sethy
May 3rd, 2011, 02:40
May be way off topic, but did Bush have a teleprompter? It seems Obama looks so professional and gives well speeches, but people need to realize he is reading from a screen...
Every president reads from something, bro. They do write them their selves.
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 03:21
That'd imply they weren't paid to do it.
It was an inside job, the evidence stacks up to the ceiling.
ahahahahahahahah omg hahahah soooo funny and soo wrong what evidence? people shooting at us?
Sethy
May 3rd, 2011, 03:34
ahahahahahahahah omg hahahah soooo funny and soo wrong what evidence? people shooting at us?
Wtf are you talking about? There was no shooting involved in 9/11. Go let the media brainwash you some more. You're one of the FEW people I can say trust in America TOO much.
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 03:47
Wtf are you talking about? There was no shooting involved in 9/11. Go let the media brainwash you some more. You're one of the FEW people I can say trust in America TOO much.
and your one of the terrorist who would blow up a plane.
Justin H
May 3rd, 2011, 03:51
and your one of the terrorist who would blow up a plane.
I have a feeling your just being an annoying troll, or your a 9 year old adolescent. Because someone says the government MAY be involved, doesn't make them a terrorist. Please, get the hell out of the section. It's for intelligent arguments only, which you lack. Quite a lot.
Justin H
May 3rd, 2011, 03:52
Every president reads from something, bro. They do write them their selves.
Thanks. I was just making sure. It seemed he never looked at the same spot, suggesting a teleprompter. And I never knew someone could stutter as much as him; Even with a screen to read off of.
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 03:53
I have a feeling your just being an annoying troll, or your a 9 year old adolescent. Because someone says the government MAY be involved, doesn't make them a terrorist. Please, get the hell out of the section. It's for intelligent arguments only, which you lack. Quite a lot.
I'm not a troll just a proud american which i rarely see now a day only faggots who don't care about the people who die for them.
Emily
May 3rd, 2011, 03:57
I'm not a troll just a proud american which i rarely see now a day only faggots who don't care about the people who die for them.
If they had died for a reason worth fighting for, I would have respect for the cause. I believe everyone 'cares' about the people that fight for our freedom. You just live off the media which is heavily controlled by the government. You do realize they only let you see, what they want you to see.
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 04:01
If they had died for a reason worth fighting for, I would have respect for the cause. I believe everyone 'cares' about the people that fight for our freedom. You just live off the media which is heavily controlled by the government. You do realize they only let you see, what they want you to see.
i wish all the soldiers in america just dissapeared for one day just to see how much trouble there would be without them.
Emily
May 3rd, 2011, 04:02
i wish all the soldiers in america just dissapeared for one day just to see how much trouble there would be without them.
What soldiers in america? They are all over seas wasting their lives on a war that has no end. Great reason to die right?
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 04:05
What soldiers in america? They are all over seas wasting their lives on a war that has no end. Great reason to die right?
ok ok you got me there, but how come no one blames Obama for the soldiers being over there? they would blame bush but not obama.
Emily
May 3rd, 2011, 04:06
ok ok you got me there, but how come no one blames Obama for the soldiers being over there? they would blame bush but not obama.
Because people look at who put them over there in the first place. Since Obama 'promised' that troops would return home if he was elected, people continue to wait for this promise and blame bush. Although I would have to say it is more fault towards bush for getting us stuck in there, then is it Obama, for not being able to get us out.
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 04:08
Do you really think Obama is even trying to get the soldiers out?
Emily
May 3rd, 2011, 04:09
Do you really think Obama is even trying to get the soldiers out?
No, why would we pull out when we have control over the oil there, and leaving would mean the loss of power in that area. We'll be there for awhile, just like we haven't left Korea yet.
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 04:11
So what your saying (what i'm getting from you) is that it was a bad thing to put the soldiers over there but now it would be bad to bring them back!!!!
Emily
May 3rd, 2011, 04:14
So what your saying (what i'm getting from you) is that it was a bad thing to put the soldiers over there but now it would be bad to bring them back!!!!
Umm no? I think we should of left that area years ago. I'm just saying that our country will not leave as the area we have control of, contains oil.
bigcasey123
May 3rd, 2011, 04:15
OK i'm done you win, i was just bored and felt like messing around with some smart people see ya.
Sethy
May 3rd, 2011, 04:19
OK i'm done you win, i was just bored and felt like messing around with some smart people see ya.
Lol, I love you.
Justin H
May 3rd, 2011, 04:25
Anyways, on topic. I believe Bush did the right thing to go to war. I know a lot of people disagree with this. But, I think going over there did assert the fact that we wouldn't hesitate to fight. If we showed them that we were a weak country, afraid to retaliate, they would probably continue the attacks. Also, the war did take quite a lot of their efforts off of attacks on America, and forcing them to mainly focus on protecting themselves. However, I think the soldiers should have been pulled out a long time ago.
Although my argument can be invalidated easily, if true, that Al-Quieda *spelled wrong* was created by the CIA. ;P
Anyways, on topic. I believe Bush did the right thing to go to war. I know a lot of people disagree with this. But, I think going over there did assert the fact that we wouldn't hesitate to fight. If we showed them that we were a weak country, afraid to retaliate, they would probably continue the attacks. Also, the war did take quite a lot of their efforts off of attacks on America, and forcing them to mainly focus on protecting themselves. However, I think the soldiers should have been pulled out a long time ago.
Although my argument can be invalidated easily, if true, that Al-Quieda *spelled wrong* was created by the CIA. ;P
I agree with this, at least the first part. We were fucked either way, we either went to war and took a commitment, or did nothing and get walked on. Of course, the liberals would want us to "negotiate" and "make peace", which simply isn't possible to do when it's a radical group who hates you based on their fundamentalists religious beliefs and our support of Israel and the Shah (1970's). However, the conservatives would want us to stay until we finished everyone one of them off, which is quite a commitment.
Their resentment toward the United States isn't anything too new or unheard of. It's the result of the last 50 years or so of foreign affairs, starting with the creation of Israel.
Both options suck, and we're basically fucked either way. It could be worse.
Sethy
May 3rd, 2011, 04:31
Anyways, on topic. I believe Bush did the right thing to go to war. I know a lot of people disagree with this. But, I think going over there did assert the fact that we wouldn't hesitate to fight. If we showed them that we were a weak country, afraid to retaliate, they would probably continue the attacks. Also, the war did take quite a lot of their efforts off of attacks on America, and forcing them to mainly focus on protecting themselves. However, I think the soldiers should have been pulled out a long time ago.
Although my argument can be invalidated easily, if true, that Al-Quieda *spelled wrong* was created by the CIA. ;P
I'm almost positive Al-Qaeda wasn't created by the CSI, or any form of American government. I do believe, though, that America knows about some things they do and just let it happen(IE: 9/11)
Why should the soldiers have been pulled out if you support the war? We weren't winning, hardly benefiting from it in ANY way, it'd have been silly to even start the war. Surely we weren't dumb enough to think we could take on a group of terrorist who don't care about civilian deaths.
We should have never went to war. Why not stay on defense, improve our security, etc. etc. Our security isn't that bad, and while of course we'd need troops over there for intimidation and protection, we still wouldn't have ever needed to start combat operations, really.
See how it turned out? :D
I'm almost positive Al-Qaeda wasn't created by the CSI, or any form of American government. I do believe, though, that America knows about some things they do and just let it happen(IE: 9/11)
Why should the soldiers have been pulled out if you support the war? We weren't winning, hardly benefiting from it in ANY way, it'd have been silly to even start the war. Surely we weren't dumb enough to think we could take on a group of terrorist who don't care about civilian deaths.
From your liberal perspective, it's easy to say that it was stupid to start the war. Considering that you believe that we allowed 9/11 to happen and were apart of it, you completely took the self-defense and retaliation aspect out of the war. As you just said, why would we go to war? If we have almost no benefit, and oil sure as hell isn't a large enough reason, why would be kill thousands of our own people to start a slow and struggling war?
Justin H
May 3rd, 2011, 04:35
I'm almost positive Al-Qaeda wasn't created by the CSI, or any form of American government. I do believe, though, that America knows about some things they do and just let it happen(IE: 9/11)
Why should the soldiers have been pulled out if you support the war? We weren't winning, hardly benefiting from it in ANY way, it'd have been silly to even start the war. Surely we weren't dumb enough to think we could take on a group of terrorist who don't care about civilian deaths.
I completely support the troops going to Iraq, like Trey said. Either way, we were screwed. Fight back, or get walked over and have a potential threat of more attacks. But like I said, we should have only been there for a while. I think we overstayed our welcome, and the troops shouldn't have to keep dealing with the bullshit.
Sethy
May 3rd, 2011, 04:37
From your liberal perspective, it's easy to say that it was stupid to start the war. Considering that you believe that we allowed 9/11 to happen and were apart of it, you completely took the self-defense and retaliation aspect out of the war. As you just said, why would we go to war? If we have almost no benefit, and oil sure as hell isn't a large enough reason, why would be kill thousands of our own people to start a slow and struggling war?
Oh, I'm pretty sure oil is the reason. That's all we seem to care about nowadays, because nobody will invest in a fucking bicycle anymore.
Anyone who thinks Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA needs to read up on our involvement and the USSR's involvement in the middle east. It was formed in the late 80's. We're actually a large part of their existence, ironically. We supported Afghanistan against the USSR, and as a result funded and armed, essentially, Osama and his soldiers. After assisting in defeating the USSR, this gave these rag-tag group of middle eastern soldiers a boost of confidence and ego, thinking that they had actually defeated the USSR single-handily in the name of Islam. This confidence is what led to Al-Qaeda and the concept of Jihad.
Oh, I'm pretty sure oil is the reason. That's all we seem to care about nowadays, because nobody will invest in a fucking bicycle anymore.
I highly doubt oil is the reason, considering the fact that tension in the middle east most definitely doesn't help the OPEC nations in lowering their prices on oil. The oil we would have gotten from possessing land in the middle-east isn't at all worth going to war, and it's fairly obvious. Besides, there were easier and better ways to convince a country into going to war than destroying our World Trade Center and killing thousands of our own people. That concept is ridiculous and doesn't add up at all. I know it's difficult to trust your government, but don't let your distrust cloud your judgment.
Justin H
May 3rd, 2011, 04:44
Oh, I'm pretty sure oil is the reason. That's all we seem to care about nowadays, because nobody will invest in a fucking bicycle anymore.
I've never really understand why people say oil is the reason we are involved in the middle east. Do we even export oil from over there, secretly? Well, even if it was secretly, I'm sure it would've been leaked already. Someone care to clear this up for me? Thanks.
tedhead2
May 3rd, 2011, 14:59
It is really stupid to believe that 9/11 was an inside job tbh... :/
Or that we knew about it and let it happen... O.o wtf ppl?
The gov is risking peoples lives trying to fight back the people who killed so many... If the gov let it happen... why are they trying to fix it?
Panzerchezk
May 3rd, 2011, 15:08
Good point. I think it was all a a set-up tbh, all the pieces add up perfectly when you do the research.
Shishir G
May 3rd, 2011, 22:58
Good point. I think it was all a a set-up tbh, all the pieces add up perfectly when you do the research.
Research? you mean coincidences right? What did the USA GAIN by doing this stunt? I'm sure it wasn't a Publicity stunt like some of us do in Highschool...
Killing thousands of their own people? Yeah...
Give me some "research" from NON-theory websites... PLEASE.
SiniSoul
May 3rd, 2011, 23:26
Until all you kids do research about the Gulf War and how it related to the Cold War, and frankly how ever war up to this point has ties to the Cold Ware just STFU. It started with Regan/Clinton/Bush (Sr.), Bush just tried to redeem his father on the Gulf War which was mostly caused by:
-Israel Being Created (You can blame the British/USA/USSR for this fuck up) <- The British just kicked the Palestine (Muslims) off their land they have owned for a long time and said, "It's Israels now". I highlighted the British because Palestine was one of their satellite territories.
Which lead to Islam supremacy in Egypt/Iraq. (The giant attack on Israel, which every Muslim country lost BTW) Which in turn lead to the Gulf War.
Now remember also kiddies, that Pakistan was created because the Muslims in British India didn't like the Hindus. Another British fuck up. If I were a Muslim, I would be pissed to give up my land. <- Cause of tension
ALSO does anyone remember that in the Cold War we assisted Afghanistan to fight against the USSR to deplete their resources? The reason to why they hate us so much is because we messed with their government to get one of our puppets in power. (USA fuck up)
Vietnam is communist because of USA...so is North Korea...remind me I forgot any...
My long driven point is that Bush may have caused something ^ like those examples that may hurt us in the future.
tedhead2
May 3rd, 2011, 23:28
Until all you kids do research about the Gulf War and how it related to the Cold War, and frankly how ever war up to this point has ties to the Cold Ware just STFU. It started with Regan/Clinton/Bush (Sr.), Bush just tried to redeem his father on the Gulf War which was mostly caused by:
-Israel Being Created (You can blame the British/USA/USSR for this fuck up) <- The British just kicked the Palestine (Muslims) off their land they have owned for a long time and said, "It's Israels now". I highlighted the British because Palestine was one of their satellite territories.
Which lead to Islam supremacy in Egypt/Iraq. (The giant attack on Israel, which every Muslim country lost BTW) Which in turn lead to the Gulf War.
Now remember also kiddies, that Pakistan was created because the Muslims in British India didn't like the Hindus. Another British fuck up. If I were a Muslim, I would be pissed to give up my land. <- Cause of tension
ALSO does anyone remember that in the Cold War we assisted Afghanistan to fight against the USSR to deplete their resources? The reason to why they hate us so much is because we messed with their government to get one of our puppets in power. (USA fuck up)
Vietnam is communist because of USA...so is North Korea...remind me I forgot any...
My long driven point is that Bush may have caused something ^ like those examples that may hurt us in the future.
No one is perfect, all the presidents have made super fuck ups.
SiniSoul
May 3rd, 2011, 23:33
No one is perfect, all the presidents have made super fuck ups.
It just blows my mind how much people forget sometimes. If we actually made an actual blame list for the middle east struggle, it would be 10+ list.
Sethy
May 3rd, 2011, 23:50
Research? you mean coincidences right? What did the USA GAIN by doing this stunt? I'm sure it wasn't a Publicity stunt like some of us do in Highschool...
Killing thousands of their own people? Yeah...
Give me some "research" from NON-theory websites... PLEASE.
The US could gain oil and power, and vengeance for Bush sr.
J i m b o
May 3rd, 2011, 23:52
I love how one guy dies and then everyone decides to become a quick history teacher and conspirator.
SiniSoul
May 3rd, 2011, 23:57
I love how one guy dies and then everyone decides to become a quick history teacher and conspirator.
AP World/US History when I was in highschool bitch, plus that was one of my major papers my first semester of college. *flips the bird*
The US could gain oil and power, and vengeance for Bush sr.
Not only is that idea nonsensical, but it has no factual evidence, just like about every other conspiracy theory out there. Read my previous post on the previous page.
@sinisoul, the US isn't the reason that North Korea and South Vietnam are communist. Just because we failed at containment in those areas doesn't mean it's our fault that it spread in the first place.
SiniSoul
May 4th, 2011, 00:04
Not only is that idea nonsensical, but it has no factual evidence, just like about every other conspiracy theory out there. Read my previous post on the previous page.
@sinisoul, the US isn't the reason that North Korea and South Vietnam are communist. Just because we failed at containment in those areas doesn't mean it's our fault that it spread in the first place.
Sorry to use our fault out of context, but one of our main goals was to keep them anything but communist. And did we succeed? Not really, like maybe 25% considering we kept North Korea from invading the South. But you should understand my point, this shit storm starts around WWII.
Until all you kids do research about the Gulf War and how it related to the Cold War, and frankly how ever war up to this point has ties to the Cold Ware just STFU. It started with Regan/Clinton/Bush (Sr.), Bush just tried to redeem his father on the Gulf War which was mostly caused by:
-Israel Being Created (You can blame the British/USA/USSR for this fuck up) <- The British just kicked the Palestine (Muslims) off their land they have owned for a long time and said, "It's Israels now". I highlighted the British because Palestine was one of their satellite territories.
Which lead to Islam supremacy in Egypt/Iraq. (The giant attack on Israel, which every Muslim country lost BTW) Which in turn lead to the Gulf War.
Now remember also kiddies, that Pakistan was created because the Muslims in British India didn't like the Hindus. Another British fuck up. If I were a Muslim, I would be pissed to give up my land. <- Cause of tension
ALSO does anyone remember that in the Cold War we assisted Afghanistan to fight against the USSR to deplete their resources? The reason to why they hate us so much is because we messed with their government to get one of our puppets in power. (USA fuck up)
Vietnam is communist because of USA...so is North Korea...remind me I forgot any...
My long driven point is that Bush may have caused something ^ like those examples that may hurt us in the future.
This guy is great. Although the Muslims and Hindus share the same cultures now.
Sorry to use our fault out of context, but one of our main goals was to keep them anything but communist. And did we succeed? Not really, like maybe 25% considering we kept North Korea from invading the South. But you should understand my point, this shit storm starts around WWII.
I do understand your point, considering I made the same exact point on the previous page and no one replied to it, lul. But yeah, people need to understand the origins of the current situation.
J i m b o
May 4th, 2011, 00:07
AP World/US History when I was in highschool bitch, plus that was one of my major papers my first semester of college. *flips the bird*
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SiniSoul
May 4th, 2011, 00:08
This guy is great. Although the Muslims and Hindus share the same cultures now.
MMM don't know if you were being sarcastic...
@Trey
Sorry bro, people just ignant because they didn't take the AP World History. Or cause they are 13/14 and listen to their parents. Most likely the 2nd
MMM don't know if you were being sarcastic...
@Trey
Sorry bro, people just ignant because they didn't take the AP World History. Or cause they are 13/14 and listen to their parents. Most likely the 2nd
I took AP US, and yeah, the second tends to be the case, lololol. Whenever I get into an argument with my super-conservative parents it results in them just cussing and calling me a "damn liberal" and leaving the room, though I'm actually more conservative if anything.
J i m b o
May 4th, 2011, 00:09
MMM don't know if you were being sarcastic...
@Trey
Sorry bro, people just ignant because they didn't take the AP World History. Or cause they are 13/14 and listen to their parents. Most likely the 2nd
Most kids on this forum haven't made it to high school yet :p
SiniSoul
May 4th, 2011, 00:12
I took AP US, and yeah, the second tends to be the case, lololol. Whenever I get into an argument with my super-conservative parents it results in them just cussing and calling me a "damn liberal" and leaving the room, though I'm actually more conservative if anything.
Last time I talked to meh mom, we got into a fight on how Obama should burn in hell. I was on the con (of course), my argument: "You just mad cause the black man in charge"
J i m b o
May 4th, 2011, 00:14
Last time I talked to meh mom, we got into a fight on how Obama should burn in hell. I was on the con (of course), my argument: "You just mad cause the black man in charge"
I personally think Obama is horrible, the only thing he did that was good was sending the troops in to get Usama.
Last time I talked to meh mom, we got into a fight on how Obama should burn in hell. I was on the con (of course), my argument: "You just mad cause the black man in charge"
Lol, I'm sort of in a weird position politically. I'm very conservative when it comes to economics and the role of government, however, liberal on a lot of topics such as gay rights and such. Essentially, I feel the government should be more regulatory than anything else, only intervening when it's needed, not when people need handouts or assistance. As a result, I don't think religion should be a part of government or allowed in schools and such.
SiniSoul
May 4th, 2011, 00:16
Lol, I'm sort of in a weird position politically. I'm very conservative when it comes to economics and the role of government, however, liberal on a lot of topics such as gay rights and such. Essentially, I feel the government should be more regulatory than anything else, only intervening when it's needed, not when people need handouts or assistance. As a result, I don't think religion should be a part of government or allowed in schools and such.
Very educated argument. Instead of talking about my political theories, I rather just agree than face the fact of bl00d or someone else coming in and calling me a "terro".
Very educated argument. Instead of talking about my political theories, I rather just agree than face the fact of bl00d or someone else coming in and calling me a "terro".
Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of the debate that takes place here are by kids who have not actually thought for themselves yet. That includes people who read up on radical conspiracies and go around spouting them, as well as people who simply argue the generic side of their party (more like their parent's party).
Occasionally you'll find a good discussion though =P.
MMM don't know if you were being sarcastic...
@Trey
Sorry bro, people just ignant because they didn't take the AP World History. Or cause they are 13/14 and listen to their parents. Most likely the 2nd
I wasn't.
SiniSoul
May 4th, 2011, 00:20
Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of the debate that takes place here are by kids who have not actually thought for themselves yet. That includes people who read up on radical conspiracies and go around spouting them, as well as people who simply argue the generic side of their party (more like their parent's party).
Occasionally you'll find a good discussion though =P.
One of the reasons I don't spend my time here.
@Dean
Love u then <3
Death1
May 4th, 2011, 09:45
They started it, they tried sinking one of USA Navy ships sadly killing some sailors aboard..
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Thunderstruck
May 4th, 2011, 16:28
Well for pete' s sake.
ONE -80 % of Americans in 1991 thought we ended the Gulf war too soon.
TWO Most thought we should have went to Baghdad and help the shiites-kurds also.
So, if as some have suggested that Bush went for father's mistakes then how do you suppose he would have done this if 911 did not occur?
Also, many in America and the Congress VOTED for this unanimously- then countered it for political purpose and to divide.
Am old enough and was there in the Military during Grenada,Central America- sandinista counter intelligence and subsequent scandal
(Unit was in Honduras on 6 month rotations)
then Panama for Noriega.
Also the Gulf War.
I Recall that I was thankful it was Bush as president and not Al Gore . Seeing how these people operate, especially after 911,
politicize and deride- divide for political purpose and have no resolve Whatsoever.Now they are taking the credit for and getting there
face in the news for supporting this all along.
It was Bush's Policies and Directives that GOT THIS GUY, Obama just got to make the call.
Though I do agree with Obama's past statements in the past that he will go in after these people -Pakistan and not dilly dally
tip toe, flip flop and compromise.
For a nation that was brought together and United after the Attack, some of those in Office sure as hell tried their damnedest
to divide- Hated Bush
These people would have done for the most part the same DAMN thing based on the info- also the fact he has info they do not have.
Really, he acted in selfishness?
I am still appalled at the acts and words of these so called patriotic Americans and Gov't office holders and Congress during this time.
The man was responsible for a lot more and those that bash him from their seats are some of the same that as soon as they say we are out of debt, kick it up 13 trillion dollars. Congress cant balance its books and likes to enact unconstitutional laws and is totally irresponsible, but yet, lets get bush, it is his fault.
Hopefully history will show that he was A good President by historical comparison. But History is made by those who write it.
So, many try and alter history by writing their own facts and persuading public opinion for their own personal political gain,
SO who is/are the selfish ones here?
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