Dedicated Mods per board

[Slik]

From what I've seen, things aren't kept as clean as they should, things that don't need to be posted are posted and reporting the posts seem to do very little. I suggest there should be dedicated mods per board, for example one mod can moderate a certain amount of boards. This way mods have their responsibilities deligated better. It takes a lot of some mods, for example if the current situation is that all the mods moderate all the boards then they would have to look through a lot more.

However, if say sick` wanted to moderator the GFX boards, he could do so. If someone who enjoyed and is knowledgable with RSPS they could moderate those boards. I know you don't need knowledge about the boards to moderate it, you only need common sense but it would better employ the mod's expertise. You could even have mods in charge of a particular section of the forums, such as general then have some other mods along with that mod to look after the sub boards.

The main reason why I think this should be done is because, we are still quiet small with the content that is on the forums however there is still things not being done. I don't mean to offend the moderators, you do your best but I feel better deligation will solve this. (I know we had sectional mods before, I feel we should have this again but with everything.)

[яυиємαgє]

I get what you mean by this. I have played a few servers which has sectional moderators. This actually works how pretty good because they put stricter moderators on sections such as spam to keep it in order. There is a fine line between spam and free posts, which is why a moderator who is more strict would do a better job there. Although a good moderator doesn't have to be very strict, that was just a example.

[Brayden]

reporting posts works fine IMO, often posts arent reported, i support sectionals as they scan thier section and it keeps it clean.

[Emperor]

Agreed for 70%,
30% Not agreed because the moderators are all doing a good job. (I can know, I've been infracted enough)
70% Agreed because I think there might be a few more moderators needed. (Simply because of the time zones, eventhough I rarely see no moderators online)

[Brayden]

I dont think we would need more mods (although rl is growing quite a bit these days) but some sections need a mod to constantly scan posts.

[Emperor]

I dont think we would need more mods (although rl is growing quite a bit these days) but some sections need a mod to constantly scan posts.

Only Toonshorty is online atm, and there are quite a bit of members online.
1 moderator can't handle the full forums.

[Brayden]

Only Toonshorty is online atm, and there are quite a bit of members online.
1 moderator can't handle the full forums.

1 mod can handle all the reports, not all the forums. I can use this as proof i reported a thread and 2 mins after I got a personal response that indicated toon had seen it.

[Emperor]

1 mod can handle all the reports, not all the forums. I can use this as proof i reported a thread and 2 mins after I got a personal response that indicated toon had seen it.

Not everyone reports though.
But doesn't really mather a lot I suppose.

[Lmbuehrer]

I support this, and I think there is not enough mods, I think there should be 2-3 on at all times, thats just my opinion.

[Brayden]

Not everyone reports though.
But doesn't really mather a lot I suppose.

i already made that point.

[Friss]

Its not like there are 10 spammers spamming the forums all the time that we need to have more than one mod on at ALL times.

There will always be little rule breaks but when you report it we get the reports and solve them.

[Emperor]

i already made that point.

And I quoted it.
Anyways, still 70% agreed.

[Smudge]

I support but finding 'responsible' and 'mature' members to moderate and follow the moderation rules is going to be fun. Half of them can't even follow the basic rules.

[Lmbuehrer]

Its not like there are 10 spammers spamming the forums all the time that we need to have more than one mod on at ALL times.

There will always be little rule breaks but when you report it we get the reports and solve them.

yeah true, I'm pretty sure there'll be a mod on if there was a spammer.

[Brayden]

Its not like there are 10 spammers spamming the forums all the time that we need to have more than one mod on at ALL times.

There will always be little rule breaks but when you report it we get the reports and solve them.

which brings the argument that the posts arent always reported, which makes all the mods go in defence and say its our job to report them, true yes but I always think that's a bit absurd to completely disconnect a mods job to scan for rule breaking. Your a moderator and that IS part of the job. It seems the mods disagree but its not uncommon for moderators to do just that. Ofc you can disagree but facts are that if moderators had a section to scan or if they actully did scan soemtimes even if it wasn't a part of the forums they partake in more moderation would be done hence better forums.

[Friss]

which brings the argument that the posts arent always reported, which makes all the mods go in defence and say its our job to report them, true yes but I always think that's a bit absurd to completely disconnect a mods job to scan for rule breaking. Your a moderator and that IS part of the job. It seems the mods disagree but its not uncommon for moderators to do just that. Ofc you can disagree but facts are that if moderators had a section to scan or if they actully did scan soemtimes even if it wasn't a part of the forums they partake in more moderation would be done hence better forums.
Which brings the arguments that we shouldn't be forced to read every post on every thread to make sure that no one breaks on rule. There are 8 Moderators and 3,800+ members, who do you think could find the posts as they are being posted or ones that are buried by new ones?

[Joe]

i think the moderators are doing a great job and are taking care of everything just fine :D

[Carriah]

im new to Runelocus, but iv never really seen spam on the forums.

[Relapse]

I don't think that sectional moderators are able to view reports are they?

[Matt`]

Don't moderators have other roles, like posting sickies and setting board rules? Sectional moderators will be more experienced in the board(s) they're responsible for, and will concentrate on making that board more popular. While the site does need some global moderators, I believe having some sectional moderators who can concentrate on their boards will help the community as a whole.

We don't have moderators just to storm around the forum, punishing anyone who steps out of line.

[Glen]

Actually, how do you know there's only one moderator online(even though it shows one on the online users list). Chad(Sick`) appears offline even though he is online most of the time. Who knows other moderators do the same. Also I don't really support. Just use the god damn report button and move on. *Rest of this was going to be what Friss pointed out*

[Matty]

Kyle(Lusfr_) appears invisible whilst moderating.

[Glen]

Kyle(Lusfr_) appears invisible whilst moderating.

Same with Chad.

[Emily]

This isnt freaking run3 server, and lets keep it that way. Its fine the way it is. Report does its purpose.

[Marc]

We do not need sectionals for every board, that totally defeats the purpose for having global moderators. You don't see every moderator appear online at all times during the day, and you can't expect them to do so. Some of them appear as invisible, so you don't see them as well. You can't expect every staffer to look through every thread for problems, thats not their job, and certainly isn't expected of them The staff gets their job done, and quickly too. If they have a problem they can't fix, they come to me. 8 global moderators with full infraction and ban abilities are enough to handle this forum.

If you see something wrong, report it, and leave it alone untill they can get to it.

Last but not least, We don't need to look like Kevin's site with twenty moderators per board.

Edit: Emily you beat me too it :(

[Lmbuehrer]

We do not need sectionals for every board, that totally defeats the purpose for having global moderators. You don't see every moderator appear online at all times during the day, and you can't expect them to do so. Some of them appear as invisible, so you don't see them as well. You can't expect every staffer to look through every thread for problems, thats not their job, and certainly isn't expected of them The staff gets their job done, and quickly too. If they have a problem they can't fix, they come to me. 8 global moderators with full infraction and ban abilities are enough to handle this forum.

If you see something wrong, report it, and leave it alone untill they can get to it.

Last but not least, We don't need to look like Kevin's site with twenty moderators per board.

Edit: Emily you beat me too it :(
ooh. I never even thought it, how mods would appear off.. well then what I said is wrong, Since there is probably 2+ mods on at all times, I'm guessing.

[Matt`]

We do not need sectionals for every board, that totally defeats the purpose for having global moderators. You don't see every moderator appear online at all times during the day, and you can't expect them to do so. Some of them appear as invisible, so you don't see them as well. You can't expect every staffer to look through every thread for problems, thats not their job, and certainly isn't expected of them The staff gets their job done, and quickly too. If they have a problem they can't fix, they come to me. 8 global moderators with full infraction and ban abilities are enough to handle this forum.

If you see something wrong, report it, and leave it alone untill they can get to it.

Last but not least, We don't need to look like Kevin's site with twenty moderators per board.

Edit: Emily you beat me too it :(
Don't moderators have other roles, like posting sickies and setting board rules? Sectional moderators will be more experienced in the board(s) they're responsible for, and will concentrate on making that board more popular. While the site does need some global moderators, I believe having some sectional moderators who can concentrate on their boards will help the community as a whole.

We don't have moderators just to storm around the forum, punishing anyone who steps out of line.

[Matty]

We don't need to get a sectional mod for every board, just the ones that need it. The main place being the actual private server section.

[Lmbuehrer]

We don't need to get a sectional mod for every board, just the ones that need it. The main place being the actual private server section.

this^

[Brayden]

Which brings the arguments that we shouldn't be forced to read every post on every thread to make sure that no one breaks on rule. There are 8 Moderators and 3,800+ members, who do you think could find the posts as they are being posted or ones that are buried by new ones?

that's taking what I said and making your own idea of it for the worst, I said that they should try and scan I never said every post. Its like your a police officer- you don't ONLY reply to phonecalls in you also patrol.

@Marc I never said every board either and I also didn't state we need more moderators.

[Aff]

Alright, my turn to contribute.

Having a sectional moderator for every section defeats the purpose of a global moderator; by saying that you think a global moderator can't handle his job because of all the sections is fairly ignorant. You realize that they do their jobs through reports that other users send in, right? I believe what you're thinking is that global moderators don't solve all issues, and this is simply because of the fact that the majority of members on here would rather enjoy a nice flame-war than report the post and have it deleted/locked. If the users came together to report posts, I'm sure the staff would become more efficient (as they have more support with their jobs).

Yes, some sections are quite active and get a dickload of spam, and yes, I believe that there should be some sectionals for those boards. I only say this because the staff are becoming quite inactive (vacations, etc).

[Matt`]

Don't moderators have other roles than just punishing spammers? They need to be experienced in the board they're moderating, and it's not ignorant to assume that a global moderator isn't an expert at everything on runelocus.

[Matty]

Don't moderators have other roles than just punishing spammers? They need to be experienced in the board they're moderating, and it's not ignorant to assume that a global moderator isn't an expert at everything on runelocus.

I completely agree. We need expertise in the certain boards.

[Clayd]

Well, if we had sectionals, would the Globals have to stay away from the sectionals section? Say a G mod came and deleted a post or something in a sectional mods section, the sectional would become a little annoyed and get the impression that the G mod thought he wasn't doing his job right, so he had to step in and handle it. That could, if it happened, cause a lot more un-needed issues. I say we have the mods be like actual police (As Brayden said) and not only look at reports, but patrol the sections. I also don't want to discard the sectional mod suggestion, I just don't have any correct circumstances that would make this all work.

[Aff]

Well, if we had sectionals, would the Globals have to stay away from the sectionals section? Say a G mod came and deleted a post or something in a sectional mods section, the sectional would become a little annoyed and get the impression that the G mod thought he wasn't doing his job right, so he had to step in and handle it. That could, if it happened, cause a lot more un-needed issues. I say we have the mods be like actual police (As Brayden said) and not only look at reports, but patrol the sections. I also don't want to discard the sectional mod suggestion, I just don't have any correct circumstances that would make this all work.

That's why they don't pick staff who'd bitch at other staff members for doing their job.

[Marc]

We tried that once, with one of the most intellectual and educated people in the RSPS world. People hated him because he did his job and tried to make them write decent code rather then the shitty masses of code they contribute.

[Aff]

We tried that once, with one of the most intellectual and educated people in the RSPS world. People hated him because he did his job and tried to make them write decent code rather then the shitty masses of code they contribute.

Fuck that shit. Do it again. Who gives a flying fuck about an illiterate, prepubescent child's opinion. If they refuse to write something that could possibly benefit RSPS as a whole, then they don't deserve to have their opinions voiced; especially towards staff.

[Matty]

We tried that once, with one of the most intellectual and educated people in the RSPS world. People hated him because he did his job and tried to make them write decent code rather then the shitty masses of code they contribute.

Do it again. If the whining children do not stop fuck them. They need to learn some day that they are not always right.

[Smudge]

We tried that once, with one of the most intellectual and educated people in the RSPS world. People hated him because he did his job and tried to make them write decent code rather then the shitty masses of code they contribute.

Haters gonna` Hate.

However that does prove a point that people are so immature these day's within communities; hating on someone who is willing to improve the community?

[Brayden]

We tried that once, with one of the most intellectual and educated people in the RSPS world. People hated him because he did his job and tried to make them write decent code rather then the shitty masses of code they contribute.

Your leaving out quite a few details there. It seems to me a lot of the posts here against this idea are twisting it in their favor. It hasn't been mentioned or even insisted that it would make the forums 100% perfect or that they would have to read 100% of topics so lets just cut that right there.

[Divine]

As someone said but I'm to lazy to quote, having excseesive amounts of sectional mods make global mods meaningless. However, I do agree that it would be useful. Marc, how many sectional mods does RL have atm?

[Brayden]

As someone said but I'm to lazy to quote, having exseesive amounts of sectional mods make global mods meaningless. However, I do agree that it would be useful. Marc, how many sectional mods does RL have atm?

none, and explain how its makes global mods meaningless? As I see it sectional moderators wouldn't be on all the time and global picks up everyones slack aswell not every section needs or should have a sectional and I think that's fairly evenly agreed by most members.

[Divine]

none, and explain how its makes global mods meaningless? As I see it sectional moderators wouldn't be on all the time and global picks up everyones slack aswell not every section needs or should have a sectional and I think that's fairly evenly agreed by most members.

Pardon my ignorance -- I just got home and I didn't read the whole thread. Are you for every section having a sectional mod, or just some sections? Because if you think every section should have one, than what's the point...?

[Friss]

none, and explain how its makes global mods meaningless? As I see it sectional moderators wouldn't be on all the time and global picks up everyones slack aswell not every section needs or should have a sectional and I think that's fairly evenly agreed by most members.
1 actually.

Fellixombc for Web Design.

And yes they don't make global mods meaningless if used for 1-2 sections. Like when I and Sick` were mods for the graphics section it worked because we could run that section. Marc doesn't want a sectional for every section because then that would make global mod's meaningless.

[Divine]

1 actually.

Fellixombc for Web Design.

Ooohh web design... lawl I looked in programmin'. Thought I saw that he was...

@ontopic I support having a sectional mod for the larger sections (Such as tut's, and mayby even help...). That's simply to make life easier on mods... I see no reason, however, for there to be Sectional's in all catagories.


P.S. Muhahahaha see Friss, I'm no longer a spamz0r troll muhahaha

[Brayden]

1 actually.

Fellixombc for Web Design.

And yes they don't make global mods meaningless if used for 1-2 sections. Like when I and Sick` were mods for the graphics section it worked because we could run that section. Marc doesn't want a sectional for every section because then that would make global mod's meaningless.

ahh my mistake sorry. 1 thing to add when there were sectionals before there was at some point a rule that globals couldn't do anything in that section- that was a dumb rule.

@divine it would help if you actully did read the whole thread otherwise your not informaed very well about important opinions others could have brought up.

[Divine]

@divine it would help if you actully did read the whole thread otherwise your not informaed very well about important opinions others could have brought up.

lolwut......................?

That made less sense than Mel Gibson...

[Faab234]

Only Toonshorty is online atm, and there are quite a bit of members online.
1 moderator can't handle the full forums.

This is because the time difference of the mods.

[Slik]

Its not like there are 10 spammers spamming the forums all the time that we need to have more than one mod on at ALL times.

There will always be little rule breaks but when you report it we get the reports and solve them.

I've reported vulgar and violence enducing posts, nothing has happened. Not on just the one time either. My point is it better deligates roles will aid in the respected board being cleaner. Less work is the workload is spread evenly.


Which brings the arguments that we shouldn't be forced to read every post on every thread to make sure that no one breaks on rule. There are 8 Moderators and 3,800+ members, who do you think could find the posts as they are being posted or ones that are buried by new ones?

This way, you don't have to. You only have a small amount to check through.


Don't moderators have other roles, like posting sickies and setting board rules? Sectional moderators will be more experienced in the board(s) they're responsible for, and will concentrate on making that board more popular. While the site does need some global moderators, I believe having some sectional moderators who can concentrate on their boards will help the community as a whole.

We don't have moderators just to storm around the forum, punishing anyone who steps out of line.

Agreed.


We do not need sectionals for every board, that totally defeats the purpose for having global moderators. You don't see every moderator appear online at all times during the day, and you can't expect them to do so. Some of them appear as invisible, so you don't see them as well. You can't expect every staffer to look through every thread for problems, thats not their job, and certainly isn't expected of them The staff gets their job done, and quickly too. If they have a problem they can't fix, they come to me. 8 global moderators with full infraction and ban abilities are enough to handle this forum.

If you see something wrong, report it, and leave it alone untill they can get to it.

Last but not least, We don't need to look like Kevin's site with twenty moderators per board.

Edit: Emily you beat me too it :(

Not really, the global moderators can be incharge or head of multiple boards. They then have other moderators who work underthem. My point is that reporting the posts isn't an efficient way to go about it, having dedicated moderators to the respective boards will aid in them doing their job, not saying they are not doing their best at the moment, just that deligation is key here. Plus you want the expertise of a moderator to be used to the fullest. This will aid that.

Alright, my turn to contribute.

Having a sectional moderator for every section defeats the purpose of a global moderator; by saying that you think a global moderator can't handle his job because of all the sections is fairly ignorant. You realize that they do their jobs through reports that other users send in, right? I believe what you're thinking is that global moderators don't solve all issues, and this is simply because of the fact that the majority of members on here would rather enjoy a nice flame-war than report the post and have it deleted/locked. If the users came together to report posts, I'm sure the staff would become more efficient (as they have more support with their jobs).

Yes, some sections are quite active and get a dickload of spam, and yes, I believe that there should be some sectionals for those boards. I only say this because the staff are becoming quite inactive (vacations, etc).

I agree, if you don't have sectional moderators for every board, at least have them for some. For example, the intelligent debate board gets a lot of vulgar posts, a lot of spam and other useless things. This should be cleaned up by moderators. You should be allowed to have a debate about anything, as long as the moderators are doing their job then it should be fine right? But this isn't always the case, and wasn't on the previous forums either. It is a step to improvement, not critism.


We tried that once, with one of the most intellectual and educated people in the RSPS world. People hated him because he did his job and tried to make them write decent code rather then the shitty masses of code they contribute.

When most people hate a moderator, it is usally because they are doing a good job. When most people respect a moderator, you know he is doing a good job.

[Potastic]

I scan a few sections (every post) but those are most likely my favorite sections.
I'm not going to scan every post in the RSPS section, that's a fact.

[Slik]

I scan a few sections (every post) but those are most likely my favorite sections.
I'm not going to scan every post in the RSPS section, that's a fact.

So it would be fair to say you are in favour of sectional moderators? Since that is basically what you are currently doing atm.

[Potastic]

So it would be fair to say you are in favour of sectional moderators? Since that is basically what you are currently doing atm.

No I am not, I think the forums are running fine.
I just said that I don't scan every section for problems, I do look at the reports and solve every report no matter what section.

[Slik]

No I am not, I think the forums are running fine.
I just said that I don't scan every section for problems, I do look at the reports and solve every report no matter what section.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the forums are not running fine, I just feel there is room for improvement.

[Friss]

At the quote about us having to make rules and stickies that is about for the first week or until something is abused otherwise all we have to do is moderate.

Yes sectional moderators have helped in the past. IE Sick` and I in the Graphics section, we ran that section because we were active in that section. I don't think there is a need for a sectional moderator in any other sections besides Graphics and Web.

[Brayden]

At the quote about us having to make rules and stickies that is about for the first week or until something is abused otherwise all we have to do is moderate.

Yes sectional moderators have helped in the past. IE Sick` and I in the Graphics section, we ran that section because we were active in that section. I don't think there is a need for a sectional moderator in any other sections besides Graphics and Web.
Read below:

No I am not, I think the forums are running fine.
I just said that I don't scan every section for problems, I do look at the reports and solve every report no matter what section.
As you said, you don't ever scan the rsps section.
Might change your mind ;)


@Slik I doubt they would ignore reports, we gave them hell about that awhile ago and i haven't seen anything like it recently. Also you weren't here when blakeman was mod (at least I don't think you were) so you won't understand to full extent why he was disliked by many.

[Potastic]

Read below:

As you said, you don't ever scan the rsps section.
Might change your mind ;)

I don't, other mods might.

[Brayden]

I don't, other mods might.

yes but I think they are a huge reason why a sectional would be helpful. They are pretty bad and very few seem to report the posts.

[Slik]

@Slik I doubt they would ignore reports, we gave them hell about that awhile ago and i haven't seen anything like it recently. Also you weren't here when blakeman was mod (at least I don't think you were) so you won't understand to full extent why he was disliked by many.

I was here well before he was a mod, I know what was going on.

[Yaoi]

yes but I think they are a huge reason why a sectional would be helpful. They are pretty bad and very few seem to report the posts.

We just need the right people to be them.The only people that i think should be SMods should be the community Members or someone really trusted in the community that hasnt gotten CM yet,Or we can have one big poll on who should be Smod

[Marc]

Like I said, the last sectional I put there was demoted because the kids couldn't handle being told they were wrong and actually learning. I doubt I'll ever place one there again.

[Emperor]

Like I said, the last sectional I put there was demoted because the kids couldn't handle being told they were wrong and actually learning. I doubt I'll ever place one there again.

Who was he anyways?

[Matt`]

Like I said, the last sectional I put there was demoted because the kids couldn't handle being told they were wrong and actually learning. I doubt I'll ever place one there again.
So because a few kids didn't like the old sectional mod, you're never going to get any again?

[Glen]

Who was he anyways?

Blakeman - I think

[GFX]

You should still retry the sectional forum mods in my opinion.

[Slik]

Like I said, the last sectional I put there was demoted because the kids couldn't handle being told they were wrong and actually learning. I doubt I'll ever place one there again.

Sorry, but that is ridiculous. I've had mods on my forums who were not liked, I stuck by them because they did a good job and the reason they were hated was because so many people wanted the spot. Doesn't mean just because people didn't like that, it was a bad decision. Far from it. For instance, there was nothing when Sick` was a sectional mod for the GFX section, you don't mention that. If there was a lot of new sectional moderators, I don't see why this would be a problem. I am not suggesting you recruit 5-10 new sectional moderators, but instead deligate the current staff into sections in which they control. More so, if you feel you are short staffed, it is dependant on you if you feel there should be more staff. Understand? Let me summerize, lets say potstyle is in charge of general. You could still have friss head of him as a global, he could be in charge of multiple boards or non at all, but the junior moderators are in charge of certain boards.

The main reason why people got so worked up was because a lot of people wanted the spot, it was given to an unfamilar person whom they thought didn't earn it and picked out negitive things and whined till it was forced for him to be demoted. My point is, this won't happen as CURRENT mods will be sectioned. More so, if you needed a few more, I highly doubt people would kick up a fuss over it. If they do, displine them. Why should you not do something that will benifit the forums because you are scared of some backlash from the imature audience, those who are not will respect the decisions and that is what counts right? Those who will be imature because they didn't get the spot, well they can follow the rules or leave right?

[Faab234]

There are now 3 Sectional mods, Enough?

[Potastic]

This can be closed now.