old water?

[Kryptic']

is there such thing? some people say it turns orange after sitting but not sure.


i believe its all been on the earth a long time, so all water is old.

[Zykev2]

Rofl, are we really going to debate about old water?

[Malik]

^ Lol, think of it this way...The water your drink today could of been at the bottom of the ocean at one time, mixed with dinosaur piss, or could of been part of a hurricane long ago.Luckily all the water you drink is filtered so it will never taste "old" :D

[Slik]

... Are you serious? This isn't a debate it is a query, research on google.

Also, water eventually grows algea which is green not orange, so if 'old water' 'sits out' it doesn't turn orange, that is retarded. Perhaps the container would change to an orange color after a while, but the water itself won't. I don't see why you would think that.

[Emperor]

There's no such thing as old water.

All water goes up in the sky by heat of the sun (Forgot the english word for water going up in the sky), then goes down again by rain. (More to it, but I forget these things)

"Orange water" is just water with rust or dirt in it.

[2kbarrows]

There's no such thing as old water.

All water goes up in the sky by heat of the sun (Forgot the english word for water going up in the sky), then goes down again by rain. (More to it, but I forget these things)

"Orange water" is just water with rust or dirt in it.

Evaporation,liquidation,rain..uhhh..ation....then repeat and you need heat for it to evaporate not the sun...He means if you leave water in a location for some time tehre-for old water(1 day old+)

[Kryptic']

well if it turns colors over a period of time, but what if it was sealed? does anything happen, so all water is old right?

[Slik]

well if it turns colors over a period of time, but what if it was sealed? does anything happen, so all water is old right?

I don't want to go into depth about this but basically;

Algea will grow because there is bacteria in the water, when water is sealed tight it usually is prepared with chemicals to make sure those bacteria are dead, however you may find that some bottled water have a date on them this is because you will eventually find bacteria getting into the water. This isn't because it is domaint but because of the date of the seal, basically how effectively it can stop bacteria from getting in. If 0.0000001% of the required amount of bacteria got into the water supply it would take X days for it to become undrinkable, it wouldn't be 10 million days because bacteria reproduce at a really high rate, which is why for simplicity I state X days.

Now as for age, the majority of water is 'old', yes but water can be produced. It is also known as H2O, hydrogen and two parts of Oxygen meaning combining the two and you get what we call water. This would be 'new' so not all water is old because water is formed on a regular basis, you can also extract hydrogen and oxygen from water through electrollisis, but you don't need to worry about that.

Oh and water doesn't turn a different colour, the item growing in the water causes a change in our perception of the colour of water.

[Rog3r]

Most of the water on the Earth is billions of years old. This means the water you drink, has been around for millions or billions of years.

[Justin H]

There is such thing as Old Water. There is no such thing as New Water. All the water we have today is from the very start of Earth. Your drinking water the Dinosaurs drank. What the very first land animals drank.

Evaporation - This is powered by the Sun. All water evaporates (turns into gas), and floats up into the sky.
Condensation - The gas (which is still water, but in gas form) turns into clouds.
Precipitation - After a certain point, the water gets to heavy, and we get whats called rain.

And then the cycle starts off again. And transpiration is when the trees and plants give off water, which immediately evaporates.

[Emperor]

There is such thing as Old Water. There is no such thing as New Water. All the water we have today is from the very start of Earth. Your drinking water the Dinosaurs drank. What the very first land animals drank.

Evaporation - This is powered by the Sun. All water evaporates (turns into gas), and floats up into the sky.
Condensation - The gas (which is still water, but in gas form) turns into clouds.
Precipitation - After a certain point, the water gets to heavy, and we get whats called rain.

And then the cycle starts off again. And transpiration is when the trees and plants give off water, which immediately evaporates.

Something can't be old if the same thing can't be new.

With old comes new.
With dark comes light.
Etc...

So basically, it's not old water, nor new water.

[Slik]

There is such thing as Old Water. There is no such thing as New Water. All the water we have today is from the very start of Earth. Your drinking water the Dinosaurs drank. What the very first land animals drank.

Evaporation - This is powered by the Sun. All water evaporates (turns into gas), and floats up into the sky.
Condensation - The gas (which is still water, but in gas form) turns into clouds.
Precipitation - After a certain point, the water gets to heavy, and we get whats called rain.

And then the cycle starts off again. And transpiration is when the trees and plants give off water, which immediately evaporates.

That is idiotic, all water isn't from the start of the earth. That is a very very ignorant comment. Please, for your sake reseach. Get educated.


Something can't be old if the same thing can't be new.

With old comes new.
With dark comes light.
Etc...

So basically, it's not old water, nor new water.

It is ridiculous to say there is no such thing to say there is no old water. If two oxygen particles combined with a hydrogen particle, after 1 second that would be a 1 second OLD water drop. Therefore it would be 'old', at the very point of the water being formed it would new, anything after that would be considered old.


Most of the water on the Earth is billions of years old. This means the water you drink, has been around for millions or billions of years.

The earth is roughly 4 and half billion years old, water was formed a long time after this. I do not care to go into much depth about this, but while there was vast amounts of hydrogen there was very little if no oxygen at all. This came after plants respired oxygen, which was a while after the earth was formed. The reason why we maintain water is due to our ozone layer which was created by volcanic eruptions, the gases formed a layer around the earth which maintained water which was created. You also have to remember that these volcanic eruptions give off steam which means they are a source in the creation of water. They would have such heat it would actively make particles move around a lot more than they would normally do so, meaning there was a much greater chance of water being formed. This then lead to water being shot to the skys in steam, which formed clouds, the very first. At this point there isn't much water at all and this is billions of years later. With more water, more plants are produced and with more plants more water was created.

Volcanos are a key part of our life, yet they are often pictured as vessel of anger and destruction. Oh and basically, all water produced by earth is within 1 billion years of age so for accuracy, it is 'millions' of years old.

Oh and one more thing, plants require water, so if they are the sole reason for oxygen why where they there in the first place? The answer? It is being more widely accept nower days, but it is said that the first bits of water in quiet small quantities was from comets which contain frozen water formed in space. The reason why it can be formed in space is because when a star explodes it gives off the materials we see on earth today, such as gold and silver.

[Emperor]

That is idiotic, all water isn't from the start of the earth. That is a very very ignorant comment. Please, for your sake reseach. Get educated.



It is ridiculous to say there is no such thing to say there is no old water. If two oxygen particles combined with a hydrogen particle, after 1 second that would be a 1 second OLD water drop. Therefore it would be 'old', at the very point of the water being formed it would new, anything after that would be considered old.



The earth is roughly 4 and half billion years old, water was formed a long time after this. I do not care to go into much depth about this, but while there was vast amounts of hydrogen there was very little if no oxygen at all. This came after plants respired oxygen, which was a while after the earth was formed. The reason why we maintain water is due to our ozone layer which was created by volcanic eruptions, the gases formed a layer around the earth which maintained water which was created. You also have to remember that these volcanic eruptions give off steam which means they are a source in the creation of water. They would have such heat it would actively make particles move around a lot more than they would normally do so, meaning there was a much greater chance of water being formed. This then lead to water being shot to the skys in steam, which formed clouds, the very first. At this point there isn't much water at all and this is billions of years later. With more water, more plants are produced and with more plants more water was created.

Volcanos are a key part of our life, yet they are often pictured as vessel of anger and destruction. Oh and basically, all water produced by earth is within 1 billion years of age so for accuracy, it is 'millions' of years old.

Oh and one more thing, plants require water, so if they are the sole reason for oxygen why where they there in the first place? The answer? It is being more widely accept nower days, but it is said that the first bits of water in quiet small quantities was from comets which contain frozen water formed in space. The reason why it can be formed in space is because when a star explodes it gives off the materials we see on earth today, such as gold and silver.

Nothing can be old if there is no "new version" of the same thing.
That's basic logic.

Old means it existed before new, new means it existed after old.
But if there is no new; there can't be no old.
I was just pointing towards "there is no such thing as new water", that someone else posted.

I could really care less about how old water is.

[Slik]

Nothing can be old if there is no "new version" of the same thing.
That's basic logic.

Old means it existed before new, new means it existed after old.
But if there is no new; there can't be no old.
I was just pointing towards "there is no such thing as new water", that someone else posted.

I could really care less about how old water is.

You have it completely the wrong way, old means it existed AFTER new and new means it existed BEFORE old. But if there is no new there is no old, that is your point.

My point is that you are wrong, because the point of formation is the point in which it is new because it is newly formed. You are basing your statement on a sterotypical contradiction of the word new; Adverts often state new and improved. But if it was new there was nothing before it and if it was improved on there had to be something before it meaning the word is a contradiction.

Anyways, lets stick to topic.

[Emperor]

You have it completely the wrong way, old means it existed AFTER new and new means it existed BEFORE old. But if there is no new there is no old, that is your point.

My point is that you are wrong, because the point of formation is the point in which it is new because it is newly formed. You are basing your statement on a sterotypical contradiction of the word new; Adverts often state new and improved. But if it was new there was nothing before it and if it was improved on there had to be something before it meaning the word is a contradiction.

Anyways, lets stick to topic.

How can old exist later then new?
Don't you know the definition of old?
And I'm not wrong this time, I never said new is an improved version of the old? It doesn't even have anything to do with water.

What I meant was old as in it existed before new (In the meaning of 'time'), so how can new exist before old?

Anyways, as I said before; I could care less how old water is.

[Slik]

How can old exist later then new?
Don't you know the definition of old?
And I'm not wrong this time, I never said new is an improved version of the old? It doesn't even have anything to do with water.

What I meant was old as in it existed before new (In the meaning of 'time'), so how can new exist before old?

Anyways, as I said before; I could care less how old water is.

Old is an effect of time, after time has passed on something it becomes old. Old age isn't 1 it is 50+ You have it the wrong way round. New, such as new born babies are not 60 years OLD they are NEW borns. Because they have just been born. Therefore NEW cannot be after old, it is only before old and old comes after new. Perhaps you are mistaked in the language barrier since you are from Belgium

My example was to explain why new is a contradiction of itself, or atleast it is commonly believed so.

[Rog3r]

That is idiotic, all water isn't from the start of the earth. That is a very very ignorant comment. Please, for your sake reseach. Get educated.



It is ridiculous to say there is no such thing to say there is no old water. If two oxygen particles combined with a hydrogen particle, after 1 second that would be a 1 second OLD water drop. Therefore it would be 'old', at the very point of the water being formed it would new, anything after that would be considered old.



The earth is roughly 4 and half billion years old, water was formed a long time after this. I do not care to go into much depth about this, but while there was vast amounts of hydrogen there was very little if no oxygen at all. This came after plants respired oxygen, which was a while after the earth was formed. The reason why we maintain water is due to our ozone layer which was created by volcanic eruptions, the gases formed a layer around the earth which maintained water which was created. You also have to remember that these volcanic eruptions give off steam which means they are a source in the creation of water. They would have such heat it would actively make particles move around a lot more than they would normally do so, meaning there was a much greater chance of water being formed. This then lead to water being shot to the skys in steam, which formed clouds, the very first. At this point there isn't much water at all and this is billions of years later. With more water, more plants are produced and with more plants more water was created.

Volcanos are a key part of our life, yet they are often pictured as vessel of anger and destruction. Oh and basically, all water produced by earth is within 1 billion years of age so for accuracy, it is 'millions' of years old.

Oh and one more thing, plants require water, so if they are the sole reason for oxygen why where they there in the first place? The answer? It is being more widely accept nower days, but it is said that the first bits of water in quiet small quantities was from comets which contain frozen water formed in space. The reason why it can be formed in space is because when a star explodes it gives off the materials we see on earth today, such as gold and silver.

It's still billion of years old.


"Water is a universal element which has been around since the creation of the universe."

Water is not an element, it is a compound ( hydrogen+oxygen ) and most of earth's water is around 3.5 billion years old, every thing from rain drops to that bottle of desani.


The water in your glass may have fallen from the sky as rain just last week, but the water itself has been around pretty much as long as the earth has!

By the way, life needs water - right? Check out this time-wheel of the Earth.

Only the registered members can see the link.

Water came long before plants and other things as such.

[Emperor]

Old is an effect of time, after time has passed on something it becomes old. Old age isn't 1 it is 50+ You have it the wrong way round. New, such as new born babies are not 60 years OLD they are NEW borns. Because they have just been born. Therefore NEW cannot be after old, it is only before old and old comes after new. Perhaps you are mistaked in the language barrier since you are from Belgium

My example was to explain why new is a contradiction of itself, or atleast it is commonly believed so.

My guess is you're misunderstanding me.

Before would be as in it was there first, then the next thing came (new).
After is as in something was there (old) then this came (new).

So; in the concept of time;
Old came before new came.

[Slik]

Water came long before plants and other things as such.

Yes, I agree but I said that water wasn't formed on earth. What was formed on earth is millions of years old, what wasn't formed on earth could be as old as 15 billion years old. But you said, all water is billions of years old. I simply disputed that.

@ Emperor,

Forget it, I know what you are trying to say you clearly don't understand what I am trying to say however it doesn't matter so lets forget it.

[Emperor]

Yes, I agree but I said that water wasn't formed on earth. What was formed on earth is millions of years old, what wasn't formed on earth could be as old as 15 billion years old. But you said, all water is billions of years old. I simply disputed that.

@ Emperor,

Forget it, I know what you are trying to say you clearly don't understand what I am trying to say however it doesn't matter so lets forget it.

This is a debate, and I'm pretty sure I'm understanding you.
If you're right, you're right.
But if you're wrong, you're simply wrong.

So if you are positive you're completely right, then bring up some arguements prooving you are correct, rather then assuming me as a dumb idiot.

[Slik]

This is a debate, and I'm pretty sure I'm understanding you.
If you're right, you're right.
But if you're wrong, you're simply wrong.

So if you are positive you're completely right, then bring up some arguements prooving you are correct, rather then assuming me as a dumb idiot.

Ok let us imagine a a time line. The start of it is 0. 0 there is nothing before zero so it is new. 1 comes after 0 therefore it is older than 0 because 0 is the starting point. -1 is before 0 but it isn't new nor old because the starting point is 0. -1 is theoritical because I stated that the starting point was 0, imagining something before that would mean that thing I imagined doesn't exist because the starting point is 0. Anything before 0 doesn't exist.

That is my point. The starting point is the formation of water; it is now new. After 1 second passes it is now 1 second old. Therefore old exists, as does new. Anything before this point is fictional because it is stated that the starting point is the formation.

The reason why I didn't want to explain this as I did was because you can go infinitaly below zero as you can do so above zero. In the case of counting, zero isn't the starting point it is just the point you are at currently.

The reason why I didn't want to continue to explain this was because it is techniqually off topic, continue this on PM if you want to.

[Emperor]

Ok let us imagine a a time line. The start of it is 0. 0 there is nothing before zero so it is new. 1 comes after 0 therefore it is older than 0 because 0 is the starting point. -1 is before 0 but it isn't new nor old because the starting point is 0. -1 is theoritical because I stated that the starting point was 0, imagining something before that would mean that thing I imagined doesn't exist because the starting point is 0. Anything before 0 doesn't exist.

That is my point. The starting point is the formation of water; it is now new. After 1 second passes it is now 1 second old. Therefore old exists, as does new. Anything before this point is fictional because it is stated that the starting point is the formation.

The reason why I didn't want to explain this as I did was because you can go infinitaly below zero as you can do so above zero. In the case of counting, zero isn't the starting point it is just the point you are at currently.

The reason why I didn't want to continue to explain this was because it is techniqually off topic, continue this on PM if you want to.

It isn't really off topic, since it's going about how old water is, and I hate clearing out my inbox 5 times a day.

Now the thing is; time did not start with water, as you know.
But the simple difference between old and new is; old came before new, wich was what I was talking about.
No new is no old, no old is no new. They can't "live" without eachother.
Same is darkness and light, there can't be light without darkness, and no darkness without light.

By reading what you just replied, I believe we have both been discussing a different concept of old and new, thus making this a debate over nothing.
You are not wrong, neither am I.
We were just discussing 2 different things, wich caused this misunderstanding.

[Slik]

We were just discussing 2 different things, wich caused this misunderstanding.

I agree. But I don't see the point in this debate in the first place, he thought water turned orange.. Anyways atleast he learnt something from it I guess.

[Emperor]

I agree. But I don't see the point in this debate in the first place, he thought water turned orange.. Anyways atleast he learnt something from it I guess.

Lol ya.

Though I believe water only turns "orange" by things such as rust, mud, ...

[Slik]

The water itself doesn't change a different colour, the particles which emit a different colour alter our perception. But anyways, just curious why would there by rust in water? Rust forms on iron due to oxydation. From what I know, water isn't kept in iron bottles. It is too heavy, too expensive and has the apparent risk of water being turned orange due to rust? lol

[Emperor]

The water itself doesn't change a different colour, the particles which emit a different colour alter our perception. But anyways, just curious why would there by rust in water? Rust forms on iron due to oxydation. From what I know, water isn't kept in iron bottles. It is too heavy, too expensive and has the apparent risk of water being turned orange due to rust? lol

I've seen some lakes with a lot of iron dumped into it, and it turned orange.
So my guess is it "turned" orange due to the rust of the iron.